crash, how come nobody of consequence has gone to jail after that? they always, you know, they always argue against more regulation, and more enforcement because they say we need room, we need air to breathe, room to create jobs, and this is just counterproductive to put people in jail. >> initially, though, this very sincere, absolutely, absolutely sincere self-justification, i think is one of the most dangerous things that's happening. because in our society, and i would say this is particularly powerful in america, really since the reagan era, there has been this vision of the successful business person as really a leader for the whole society. and there has been a view that the business person, what he thinks, and by the way, all of my plutocrats are men. but you know, what he thinks about how society should be ordered, we should all listen to, because he, after all, is the hero of our time.